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Post by violet on Apr 11, 2012 21:43:37 GMT 11
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Post by Linda on Apr 11, 2012 22:35:37 GMT 11
Thanks for posting this, Elisa. I want to listen to this and will come back in a bit (once everyone here moves on to their daily activities and I can listen to it without any interruptions )
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Post by Linda on Apr 13, 2012 8:32:33 GMT 11
Interesting, thanks for posting this, Elisa. I read the transcript because I couldn't get my computer to play it. I don't know....I am still skeptical. Warning...rant, conspiracy theory coming... ;D While I think we do have better screening etc., there are still more younger people getting it and dying from it more than ever before (even with our so called better treatments). When I was younger for example, there weren't young people/children dying from a 'mysterious illness' (which would have been the case if there was just as much as now but we just didn't catch it because we didn't screen as well). The first child I ever knew who had cancer was a friend of ds. He was very sick (the tumor was in his sinuses and was growing down out of his nose. They thought at first he'd shoved a tissue up there) and even if we hadn't been able to label it "cancer" it was obvious it was something. Even with treatment, he still didn't make it. If we'd not known it was 'cancer', he still would have died from "something". Since then there have been several children that I know personally who have cancer or who have died from it. That just did not happen years ago. I know I'm not a scientist but I'm just not very believing of their 'facts'. I used to be, thinking that they are the ones that know. But I now know for a fact, they are not always truthful and/or sometimes just don't know yet. For instance, the FDA says that aspartame is safe for human consumption, but through personal experience (and then research), I now know it's not. It's heart breaking to me to think I trusted them and yet the studies/tests were so rigged (as attested to by the people who did them). There is also tests that back up claims it's not safe. They (the FDA) have even produced their own list of problems caused from it...and yet the "official" word from them, it is safe for human consumption. Asbestos and Urea formaldehyde foam insulation, are a couple of other things that come to mind. A few years ago there was a lot of concern about carrots being washed in chlorine (I think it was chlorine). It was on snopes the whole bit and the official word....it was ok because that level of chlorine was safe for human consumption. But...it was chlorine. I would just prefer to not have any chlorine in my body. (http://www.snopes.com/food/tainted/carrots.asp) (I am just not a fan of snopes either. The one about aspartame is just ridiculous. I am on the list of the person who wrote this email -- she has done a lot of work/lectures etc. about aspartame. I've been in contact with her personally when I was trying to get off of it. She sent me info, suggestions and articles to read in helping me. She has stated several times she's tried to deal with Snopes about this...but it's still there www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp)I was also surprised to learn that the FDA doesn't do their own studies on things, they examine studies supplied by (and paid for) the companies who produce these things. I had to laugh at a little cartoon I saw. There was a fellow spraying the vegetables/crops. He had a full mask on (that covered his whole face with a breathing/ventilator thing in the front). He had gloves on and a full body suit (just the way they look for real when spraying chemicals). There was a little person standing beside them and the caption read, "Do you wear all that gear when you eat those vegetables too?" I guess my bottom line is I think we need to be aware and think for ourselves. They may be right ... or not.... but we will ultimately pay the price in the end if we get cancer. Just my .02 (albeit .... not scientific...just grumpy facts) ;D
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Post by violet on Apr 13, 2012 14:59:17 GMT 11
The thing with cancer is that the statistics can't tell the whole story.
Statistics vary from country to country in the way they're collated, for starters. Not every patient is followed from beginning to end, is another thing. Interpretation of stats can be just that - interpretation.
The one sure thing is that more cancer patients who come to the attention of the medical profession in a timely manner and are treated appropriately are living, and living longer. So that's a plus.
The first speaker on that podcast impressed me because he left the door open, as a good scientist should, as to the causes of cancer.
Each cancer is different just as each person is different.
So he mentioned that everyone has cancer cells in their body but that the immune system gets rid of them, just like fighting off a virus, most of the time.
My thoughts are that the body at a cellular level, an immune function level, can't fight infection off if it's compromised in some way. Also, some people have a predisposition to problems in certain areas of the body, due to their genetic make up.
I find that if I'm run down, I'll catch the disease-of-the-week. If I've been taking good care of myself, I won't.
Add in the greater mix of people on the planet, and the way that air travel spreads different viruses, etc, to populations where those viruses were not previously known.
Also add in the amount of processed crud that we've been fed in the last 50 years: hydrogenated seed oils, modified corn syrup, nitrates and nitrites in processed meats, low fat/high chemical stuff, artificial colors and sweeteners...it's a long list and they're none of them foods in the sense of providing nutrition, but they've become part of our diet nevertheless.
On top of that, in around the 1950's there was also a lot of excitement over new pesticides and plastics. They were used in inappropriate ways with no understanding of their effect on the population.
There are phone towers and large electrical plants near to homes and offices and schools.
And of course, the car. The car which spews out pollutants in every corner of the globe.
A study I saw looked at the health markers of people brought up in the country and in the city and found that the country people did worse on a lot of those markers. They had more of those chemicals known to be unsafe than the city people, despite living in so called cleaner environments, presumably because of the large scale use of chemicals in food production.
So if we as a society took more care of the environment - the whole world, because we share the air and the oceans - and if we as individuals took more care with our own nests and diets, then we will surely have a positive impact on the health of generations to come.
It's a battle of hope, really. We do our best and hope we'll be ok.
One initiative I'd like to see is government subsidy of farmers over here. If they could be helped to produce the cleanest food possible, and prices could be held down, then more people could afford to eat well.
Elisa
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Post by Linda on Apr 13, 2012 21:38:44 GMT 11
My homeopath is also always commenting on how we all have cancer cells in our bodies. All of us. And it's how we treat our bodies that ultimately decide what our bodies do with those cancer cells. So if we have a healthy body, mind, immune system, it gets rid of them. I agree too about the processed crud...it's not food at all. I watched a movie recently and it said while we now eat more food like products, our bodies are actually starving (for nutrients). I'd love to see food subsidized too, just as you said, Elisa. I'd also like to see real education about eating and I'd like them to be honest with us about what is safe. I'd like them to make unhealthy practices illegal -- have you seen the video about the pink slime? Terrible and unimaginable that they'd actually feed that to people and worse (imo) be allowed to feed that to people. I never like to hear about a company going bankrupt, but I must admit, I was glad to hear they had filed for bankruptcy. Why were they even allowed to start in the first place? I saw a cute picture...it was two body guards...one on each side of Ronald McDonald. They each had an arm and were carting him off. The caption read, "If the FDA was really doing it's job" ;D For me (and I guess everyone else) it's the unknown of what really causes it that is so frightening. They said red meat causes it....yet Linda McCartney (sp ?) was a vegetarian and she died from cancer. My dad smoked for 40 years, ate red meat (his own, self-raised) probably 4 times a week and he's still going strong at 85. His sisters were the same with eating red meat and they are both still going strong (one is 86 and one is 75). I think it's as you said....take care of our bodies the best we can....eat 'real' food, avoid as many chemicals as we can and hope for the best. Also as you said, we need to take care of our environment. Bring back healthy farming practices (instead of pushing for the almighty profit). One article I was reading said crops should be rotated every seven years...my dad said they used to rotate their crops every year. Interesting topic for sure.
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Post by violet on Apr 14, 2012 13:49:22 GMT 11
I tend to think that there is no one cause; it's a combination of our particular genetic make up and the environmental stuff we encounter.
Each person has a chink in their immune armour and if that isn't breached, we're ok.
You mentioned your dad and smoking; another person with his habits may have died at 60, but your Dad's genetic make up is such that his body isn't prone to getting cancer, OR his immune system can deflect the problems smoking and red meat cause, but he may have gotten sick if he'd eaten stuff with artificial sweeteners.
Of course there is no way of knowing what will make us sick yet, thought they're closer with the genetic testing that's currently available.
Once they can custom prescribe medication for illness, we'll have much healthier lives.
In the meanwhile, we need to strive to eat and live as cleanly as we can. Which is not always that easy ....
Elisa
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Post by Linda on Apr 14, 2012 21:37:02 GMT 11
Your ideas sound very logical to me, Elisa. I just wish 'they' would come out and say that too, instead of the daily "this causes cancer" and then the next day "no, it doesn't cause cancer...it's actually good for you" . A few years ago they came out with a study saying a glass of wine a day was good for you. I read the other day, the fellow who did that study has now confessed it was false. This is just one but illustrates why I think we have to use our own common sense about things. I think you're right about my dad. His immune system was top notch. He never ever got sick with a cold or the flu etc. The only time I remember him going to the Dr. was from a severe sore throat he had which resulted with the Dr. saying his tonsils needed to come out (he was in his early 50s). So he was off work for a bit with that, but I remember how strange it felt to have him home and in bed during the day. We are doing better here with our food choices. I just wish that good tasting food wasn't so bad for us. It knows me by name...and frequently calls out to me....
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Post by violet on Apr 14, 2012 22:31:16 GMT 11
Small steps with the food, Linda, and you'll get there.
As the queen of chocolate (eating not making!), cakes and cookies/biscuits, I'm now at the point where it doesn't take much of anything sweet or creamy or delicious lol to make me feel ill. I just can't eat that much crummy food.
It's taken many years to get here, but it means that even when I'm having an "I need to pig out" day, it's on foods that are better than what I used to eat regularly. Your body starts to refuse what it doesn't need.
Elisa
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Post by braided-rug on Apr 15, 2012 21:36:23 GMT 11
As you guys know I had a pap recently and the doctor said it looked healthy. Weird. So why is another person, not looking so healthy "there".
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Post by george125 on Feb 7, 2013 4:44:55 GMT 11
There are about 200 different types of cancer. It can start in any type of body cells. What impacts one body cells may not affect another. For example, cigarettes that you breathe in may help to cause united states. Overexposing your skin to the sun could cause a cancer on your leg. But the sun won't provide you with united states and smoking won't provide you with cancer.
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